Madeline : Well, like what you said though, about it being maybe not creatively but for the business side - that’s the exact side I’m just not in love with. It’s kind of like if you’re from where I’m from, Houston, and say you work in oil and gas - which Houston is a prime location for that industry - it would be easy to find yourself mostly knowing people that work in that field and that be the bulk of what you talk about. Whether you work in music, TV, film, podcasting, et cetera, chances are you are working for or with a media company that has a headquarters here. Maybe not for creativity, but at least for business. And I think it makes sense to talk about those things - in my mind, Los Angeles is the entertainment capital of the United States. Tony : I think it really is what you make it. Tony : Well, I think if you want to talk about baking and ceramics and music, you’d fit right in in LA. That’s my fear - if that’s all that consumes my life, I’m scared that I would just want to quit. And I feel when I’m down there, I talk to people about music, I talk to people about gigs, I talk to people about recording, and it’s, like, all we talk about. Now, in LA, do you feel like - here’s the thing that prevents me think from moving there: I have a fear of the music business taking over so much of my human life. Madeline : I know, in some form or another. And it’s beautiful and it’s worth it, but compared to when I lived in San Francisco and I could get to a city beach in, like, 15, 20 minutes or drive 30, 45 minutes and be at a really nice beach… I don’t know. That always takes like an hour-and-a-half to get there, and then an-hour-and-a-half back. Whereas living in LA, in the Northeast side of town, going to the beach is a much longer trip - especially going to Malibu, which is where I like to go to the beach. Like when I lived in San Francisco for that summer, we went to the beach almost every single weekend. I mean, what I love about the Bay, at least compared to living in LA, is it’s such a smaller area that it’s easier to go places. We’re like, “It’s beautiful, it’s worth the price!” But I don’t know. I think it’s like, OK, what kind of life do I want to live? Do I want to be chasing music all the time? I think we can really fool ourselves. But I was touring all the time so that made the most sense. I mean, when I lived in Durham, my rent was like $300. We’re like, “This is fine! Paying this much is normal and fine!” And then you go somewhere else and you’re like, Oh, my god. I feel like we’ve collectively in the Bay kind of lost the plot. Still a very nice apartment and a nice location, but I was getting much less space than I got in Crown Heights - because at least in Crown Heights, I had a backyard, I had a basement. It was as expensive as my rent was when we lived in Brooklyn in 2019, and it was way less space. We had a nice place in Hayes Valley, but it was enormously expensive. Tony : When we were hanging out a lot and making music in the summer of 2021, me and my partner were living in San Francisco for the summer. Tony : I mean, it might be a little bit cheaper than living in the Bay Area, to be honest with you. So many people moved either to somewhere easier and cheaper to live or to LA - which I don’t think that’s cheaper, but I think it’s more conducive to being in music, obviously. Tony : Do you mean it in a sense of, a lot of people left the Bay during the pandemic? There’s times when you’re driving across the Bay Bridge and you’re like, I live in the most beautiful place in the country! It’s amazing ! And then there’s times where you’re like, Oh, my god, the ghosts of every part of my past are just haunting me in this town and I need to get out. I still have a community, but I feel like since the pandemic, it’s really splintered in a lot of ways. But I feel like for a while there before the pandemic, the music scene was great, and I knew so many people from the music scene and from working in restaurants and I just had a huge community. I guess a year of that I was out in Durham, so it’s cumulative eight years. Madeline : You know, I’ve been living here coming up on 10 years. I feel neutral about it right at this moment. I’m talking to you live right now from Los Angeles, California. Madeline : You are running this like a radio show. Tony : It’s Fat Tony and Madeline Kenney. Annie Fell, Editor-in-chief, Talkhouse Musicįat Tony : Here we go. To celebrate, the friends got on a call to catch up about it all. Both artists have new records - Madeline’s A New Reality Mind is out tomorrow on Carpark, and Tony’s I Will Make a Baby in this Damn Economy will be out August 25, also on Carpark. Fat Tony is a Houston-born, LA-based rapper Madeline Kenney is musician and artist based in Oakland.
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